A 7 WSM with a 175 SMK or VLD will get the job done with authority out to your personal game harvesting limits. As far as the discussion between the 300 short mag and the 7mm mag I think you are splitting hairs. Founded by Frank Galli in 2014, Sniper’s Hide has been offering informational videos, podcasts, and other support to it’s users in one location. I guess I need to know is is the 7 rem just as accurate as the 7wsm. 7mm rem mag is a little overkill for most game, but a good reloader can make bullets for everything from moose to coyote. That's plausible. I appreciate very much all the different opinions on here and that is what makes it a great learning experience. It can come with a DPT 20 moa rail and 30mm … Extremely accurate and has the velocity to be much more effective at long range. The SAUM was designed to produce 7mm Remington Magnum performance from a much smaller cartridge case and more compact rifle configuration. More Galleries of 7mm Wsm Vs. 7mm Rem Mag. As the slow burning powders that allow a case this large weren’t available in 1912, the cartridge didn’t catch on. By Chuck Hawks. Otherwise I would not consider anything but the 7mm stw. If it were, the big 7 would win. As the quote says, pick the rifle first. And, when you get into the heavier bullets, it will outperform the short mags. per sec. 3.5 lbs. The caliber of choice is 7mm. Canyon Lake outside San Antonio in the hill countr. The 7mm SAUM is an ideal cartridge for long-range competition and long-range hunting. These will give substantially better performance than the 308 and won't burn barrels nearly as fast as the 7mm mag. I understand the 7mm rem mag has been very popular for many years and I have owned several taking several animals with them. Mag. ). Does the perfect muley cartridge really exist? Mag. Remington introduced the 7mm Short Action Ultra Magnum (SAUM) cartridge in 2002 to compete with the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum cartridge. I think the rem mag has an additional advantage in useable capacity when both are seated to max sammi oal length especially with longer bullets. I also have a .300 Wthby in a Rem 700, but I don't think it provides much real advantage over the Win version. vs. .300 Win. With the 7 Rem Mag you can get RWS brass, some of the best brass in the world that will outlast 3-4 barrels. Other cartridges in that power range are the 7mm Weatherby Magnum, the 280 Remington, 280 AI, 7-64, 7-61 S&H, 7-68 VH, 284 Win. The 7mm wsm will not outdo the 7mm rem mag. When I want a magnum 7mm I go to my 7mm-300 wby or 7mm stw and step up well beyond the others for serious long range hunting. Perhaps it caries better, has a shorter bolt throw, but my limited knowledge of physics and terminal performance says the rem mag will out perform the wsm simply do to more oomph behind the same bullet. The 7mm WSM and 7mm Rem. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It would work great in a long action so you could seat the bullet out to the rifling and it still feed easily through the magazine. I am building a hunting rifle with one of them and wondering if I use the berger bullet and have to use a long action would it be best to make it a 7 rem mag instead of the 7wsm. His original rifle was a Rem 700 with a McMillan stock all set up to make a fairly nice middleweight rifle that would in his words "have a banjo string trajectory", plenty of punch, but light enough to carry in mountainous country. First, this is not a series on 270 WSM vs 7mm Rem. I have just never been thrilled by the 7mm Rem Mag. I just post my opinions like everybody else. Load Data &Technical Information by Cartridge. If I had to choose between the two you mentioned it would definately be the 7mm wsm. What am I missing? Mag., 7mm Weatherby Mag., .275 H&H Mag., 7mm Dakota, 7mm STW and 7mm Rem. from Federal costs $1.95 per round for a box of 20 while the .30-06 is only $1.30 per round for 20. You are trying to choose between two cartridges that are virtually identical in performance. It will still kill out past 300 yards, just a little more drop than the 7mm Mag. 7mm Magnum Showdown: 7mm Rem. All comments are my opinion unless otherwise indicated. Mag. SAUM, 7-30 Waters, 7mm-08 Rem., 7x64mm Brenneke, .284 Win., .280 Rem., 7mm Rem. The 7mm Saum is dead and the 7mm WSM seems so also. It's now been surpassed by the 7mm Remington Ultra Mag. rifles. WSM vs. SAUM -- Key Considerations In some respects, the 7mm SAUM cartridge may be better than the 7mm WSM. For all practical purposes though, there isn’t a significant difference in the ballistics of the .300 Win Mag and 7mm Rem Mag at typical hunting ranges. JavaScript is disabled. 14.07 fps 24.6 foot-pounds. I assure you no offense taken at all. But just like the wildcats based off the 280 and 30-06 cases, the 7mm wsm is virtually the same performance as the 7mm rem mag in a more efficient case making all of those a very good choice instead of the powder guzzling 7mm rem mag. With either the WSM or the SAUM, you're $2 a shot and up. At first glance, it is clear that the 7mm Rem Mag rounds have higher BCs than the .30-06 rounds with several of the rounds breaking the .6 mark. 7mm mag vs 300 Short mag by: PB I have owned a Remington 7mm mag rifle(s) and used it almost exclusively for hunting deer, elk and moose since 1968. In a long action the 7WSM would have slight usable capacity advantage if throated to seat the bullet at the base of the neck. The difference in velocity between the 7mm SAUM cartridge and the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) is less than 50 feet per … If barrel and throat erosion are a concern, stick with the 7mm Rem Mag or maybe a 7mm Weatherby Mag. Mag. You are using an out of date browser. How about throat life? Most everybody else has a different view and that doesn't bother me in the least. In the 'ol saying "Theres no replacement for displacement" I dont see how the wsm can out do the rem mag? what is the difference in those two .....besides powder capacity and the different length actions? Unless you really like odd cartridges only the 7mm RM is likely to last much longer. 7mm Rem Short Action Ultra Mag -- Best of the Bunch? SAUM boast similar ballistics. Is the WSM supposed to be slightly more accurate or what.....seems like kinda splitting hairs. I still have one 7mm rem mag in my collection but it gets no work because my 7mm gibbs (30-06 case), 7mm jrs (280 case) and the 7mm wsm all have about the same performance as the 7mm rem mag with less powder, recoil and noise. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. I'm not a fan of the short and super-short mags. It will continue to be popular because of all the rifles chambered in it. and exactly the same claim is made for the 7mm WSM. It was designed specifically for the Remington Model Seven Magnum rifle, and intended primarily for long-range hunting use. The .284/7mm cartridge clan has become second in numbers only to the .30 caliber cartridges in North America. I currently have both a 700 Remington and a M77 Ruger type rifles. I own and shoot about everything and have no biases so I just tell it like it is. The following are Winchester 7mm WSM figures, with Remington 7mm SAUM figures in parenthesis. It would still be short enough to feed from the magazine. Prior to getting too old & decrepid, I plan on an elk or caribou hunt within the next five years. on the difference between the 7wsm and the 7 rem mag other than less powder. The 7wsm case capacity is approx 81.5 and the 7mm Rem mag is around 82.5 depending on the brass of course so the case capacities are a wash. The two Barnes loads have almost an identical amount of wind drift, but the 7mm Rem Mag Nosler AccuBond load has a slight edge over the .300 Win Mag AccuBond load. TECHNICAL INFORMATION: Combining high performance and a short action chassis, the 7mm SAUM is equivalent to the 7mm WSM in almost all respects. Both calibers are popular, but Federal lists 35 varieties of .30-06 and only 22 kinds of 7mm Rem. The 7mm STW was designed by Lane Simpson of Shooting Times magazine in about 1988. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. 15.64 fps 30.4 foot-pounds Astute readers will notice a few things from these numbers: Contrary to popular belief, the heavier bullet does not drift less in the wind. i love my model 70 chambered in 7mm rem mag. Mag. 300 Win. Reloading Information. it is the perfect hunting rifle. I purchased it to build a custom rifle on, but im now going in a different direction, so the T3x is surplus to requirements. slm9s Mag. JavaScript is disabled. 7mm Wsm Vs. 7mm Rem Mag Can 264 Winchester Magnum Rise From Dead?. Top dog in my stable is a 7 STW with a 28" barrel running 87gr of Retumbo with moly plated 150gr Swift Scirrocos at an average of 3428fps. Mag. Mag. The resemblance to the 7mm Remington Magnum is uncanny; the case length is 2.50 inches, the base diameter and belt is the same, but the .275 H&H has a bit more body taper than does the 7mm Remington Magnum. 3.89 lbs. I have shot most of my stuff with a .300 Win mag and it has never failed me. With the 7 SAUM you get to play soft head roulette in Norma or Nosler. The two competing cartridges were presented to the market but only one survived - the 7mm WSM. (3133 ft. Shoots factory ammo - 0.34" at 200 YARDS! I have a basically brand new T3x in 7mm Rem Mag here, still in box with owners manual etc. Gun Parts - Stocks, Barrels, Actions, etc. Mule Deer Cartridge Showdown: .270 Win. 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